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	<title>Comments on: Stephen Fry Appreciation Monday &#8211; how Mr. Fry got his head examined</title>
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		<title>By: bertas</title>
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		<dc:creator>bertas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dont worry Susan I love reading essays... :) Not so much writing them, especially on the subjects of lets say EU&#039;s immigration policies... sorry just had a nasty flashback :)

Hm do you know I was thinking along the same lines when it comes to young women, for some reason Spice Girls come to mind with all their talk of Girl power and for some reason it was interpreted that it was legitimate to flash your vajayjay and drink yourself silly... but then I remember my female friends and I know there is still some common sense, kindness and grace out there... 

I get you what you mean about your therapist session being sort of a safe zone... a very good friend of mine had some very traumatic experiences... and I sensed something was off but I do firmly believe you cannot push people to share... it took her 5 years, but when she did tell me she said she felt better... I on the other hand was petrified because I knew I couldnt possibly help her and that the issues need a professional hand... thank heavens she decided to see a therapist and from what she told it it worked much the same way - safe zone. She is doing great nowadays so I do think it can work, it is just a matter of who is sitting opposite of you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dont worry Susan I love reading essays&#8230; <img src='http://couchslobs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Not so much writing them, especially on the subjects of lets say EU&#8217;s immigration policies&#8230; sorry just had a nasty flashback <img src='http://couchslobs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Hm do you know I was thinking along the same lines when it comes to young women, for some reason Spice Girls come to mind with all their talk of Girl power and for some reason it was interpreted that it was legitimate to flash your vajayjay and drink yourself silly&#8230; but then I remember my female friends and I know there is still some common sense, kindness and grace out there&#8230; </p>
<p>I get you what you mean about your therapist session being sort of a safe zone&#8230; a very good friend of mine had some very traumatic experiences&#8230; and I sensed something was off but I do firmly believe you cannot push people to share&#8230; it took her 5 years, but when she did tell me she said she felt better&#8230; I on the other hand was petrified because I knew I couldnt possibly help her and that the issues need a professional hand&#8230; thank heavens she decided to see a therapist and from what she told it it worked much the same way &#8211; safe zone. She is doing great nowadays so I do think it can work, it is just a matter of who is sitting opposite of you</p>
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		<title>By: Susan P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I talk to some&#039;one&#039; and they allow me a lot of space to tell my truths. They just led me to feel so comfortable and able to trust that if there was some deep dark issue that was pertinent to my having increased well being, I would tell it.

I dislike any counselor transposing THEIR thoughts onto your own and in fact, I have walked out of a session some years ago when this happened because I saw it as a power issue. The person seemed to perceive me as &#039;smart&#039; and so needed to be &#039;smarter&#039;.  Looking back, I remember having the sense of them standing up and flashing about me a fandango (they weren&#039;t doing that but that was the atmosphere created). That was about them and their ego state and not about why I was there at all.

I presume very few people of Stephen&#039;s ilk would have been prepared to be interviewed by her after this.

I also have to raise the issue of credentials. I know an awful lot of people who hang &#039;psychologist&#039; on their shingle and they have fairly problematic training. I am not saying this is the case with PS but she was an actor (and did fairly badly) before she moved into this field. I have to also wonder how Billy&#039;s admittances about abuse have influenced her thinking.

I just had a delicious thought - PS being interviewed on her interview with Stephen. Really putting it to her why she asked what she did; what her agenda was and so forth. I&#039;d love to see it although I would not press for this because it would simply lead to more attention on the tacky side of the interview.

But working through Pammie&#039;s assumptions e.g. whether sex equates intimacy and so on, may be intriguing.

I am not a woman who thinks women being &#039;out there&#039; sexually is revolutionary and modern by the way. I think grace as well as honesty is my current platform for a contemporary model of woman hood.

On another topic, I have noticed here that its the young men who generally treat me and my walking stick with a degree of respect. They thank me, even the punk guys, if I move aside and let them through. Very very rarely the young women. Why are young women growing with a lack of courtesy towards others? Are they misunderstanding the movement towards equity and independence and think brusque, self centred attitudes are the way to go?

(Sorry for any typos. I can for a quick look and now I have written a short essay!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I talk to some&#8217;one&#8217; and they allow me a lot of space to tell my truths. They just led me to feel so comfortable and able to trust that if there was some deep dark issue that was pertinent to my having increased well being, I would tell it.</p>
<p>I dislike any counselor transposing THEIR thoughts onto your own and in fact, I have walked out of a session some years ago when this happened because I saw it as a power issue. The person seemed to perceive me as &#8217;smart&#8217; and so needed to be &#8217;smarter&#8217;.  Looking back, I remember having the sense of them standing up and flashing about me a fandango (they weren&#8217;t doing that but that was the atmosphere created). That was about them and their ego state and not about why I was there at all.</p>
<p>I presume very few people of Stephen&#8217;s ilk would have been prepared to be interviewed by her after this.</p>
<p>I also have to raise the issue of credentials. I know an awful lot of people who hang &#8216;psychologist&#8217; on their shingle and they have fairly problematic training. I am not saying this is the case with PS but she was an actor (and did fairly badly) before she moved into this field. I have to also wonder how Billy&#8217;s admittances about abuse have influenced her thinking.</p>
<p>I just had a delicious thought &#8211; PS being interviewed on her interview with Stephen. Really putting it to her why she asked what she did; what her agenda was and so forth. I&#8217;d love to see it although I would not press for this because it would simply lead to more attention on the tacky side of the interview.</p>
<p>But working through Pammie&#8217;s assumptions e.g. whether sex equates intimacy and so on, may be intriguing.</p>
<p>I am not a woman who thinks women being &#8216;out there&#8217; sexually is revolutionary and modern by the way. I think grace as well as honesty is my current platform for a contemporary model of woman hood.</p>
<p>On another topic, I have noticed here that its the young men who generally treat me and my walking stick with a degree of respect. They thank me, even the punk guys, if I move aside and let them through. Very very rarely the young women. Why are young women growing with a lack of courtesy towards others? Are they misunderstanding the movement towards equity and independence and think brusque, self centred attitudes are the way to go?</p>
<p>(Sorry for any typos. I can for a quick look and now I have written a short essay!)</p>
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		<title>By: bertas</title>
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		<dc:creator>bertas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree Rademisto... as I said I dont have much experience with therapy... I presume and its only my opinion therapist should be analytical and objective and while empathy would be too much at least some tact is required, because lets face it people are vulnerable in these situation... but I think you either have it or you dont, I dont think that can really be trained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree Rademisto&#8230; as I said I dont have much experience with therapy&#8230; I presume and its only my opinion therapist should be analytical and objective and while empathy would be too much at least some tact is required, because lets face it people are vulnerable in these situation&#8230; but I think you either have it or you dont, I dont think that can really be trained.</p>
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		<title>By: rademisto</title>
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		<dc:creator>rademisto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with what has been said in the comments before me. Although I would add that I was more than just irritated, repulsed or whatever. 

I found the interview in question to be foul play of a grand scale, there only to titillate the viewers and draw in good ratings for the television company who aired the programme.

Pamela Stephenson reminded me of a comedic representation of what a psychotherapist &#039;should&#039; be like (to the general publics uneductated prejudiced eye) and the questions that she asked  were outrageous for their blatant disregard of patient confidentiality. 

Even if SF had signed a waiver, abrogating his rights to privacy on this occasions, he might not have been well, and my live to regrt this in the future. 
In any case, Pamela Stephenson&#039;s questioning left a great deal to be desired. Her tack was..... well,,, , where exactly &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; her tact&gt; And her lack of sensitivity and ability to introject or empathise was upsetting.

I hope that if SF does have a therapist, s/he is much better than PS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with what has been said in the comments before me. Although I would add that I was more than just irritated, repulsed or whatever. </p>
<p>I found the interview in question to be foul play of a grand scale, there only to titillate the viewers and draw in good ratings for the television company who aired the programme.</p>
<p>Pamela Stephenson reminded me of a comedic representation of what a psychotherapist &#8217;should&#8217; be like (to the general publics uneductated prejudiced eye) and the questions that she asked  were outrageous for their blatant disregard of patient confidentiality. </p>
<p>Even if SF had signed a waiver, abrogating his rights to privacy on this occasions, he might not have been well, and my live to regrt this in the future.<br />
In any case, Pamela Stephenson&#8217;s questioning left a great deal to be desired. Her tack was&#8230;.. well,,, , where exactly <i>was</i> her tact&gt; And her lack of sensitivity and ability to introject or empathise was upsetting.</p>
<p>I hope that if SF does have a therapist, s/he is much better than PS.</p>
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		<title>By: bertas</title>
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		<dc:creator>bertas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Susan for a great comment :) And thanks for the suggestion, the pile of books I plan to order from Amazon just keeps getting bigger :)

Now this thing about old Parky, well even though it seems like a terribly rude thing he did, he is a talk show host, not a therapist. So while I dont understand his lack of manners, he can be excused for not knowing better. 

And I completely agree with you that Pammie&#039;s interviewing techniques were poor... I did a class at Uni History of civilizations and our professor wrote a book about it... to make sense out of chaos humans have an inherited tendency to put things/people/ideas into frames... well some call it boxes, but I like frames better... 

We all do it to a greater or lesser extent, but for someone who claims to be a therapist, well if one person should resist that urge in my opinion then its the therapist... seemed to like she scribbled clever, gay, guilt, abuse on Mr. Fry&#039;s tummy and that was that, the only thing missing was a neat little bow on his head to make a whole package. And if there is one person in this world that cannot be put into any frame then its Mr. Fry... 
I know its telly but still dont spin it as a therapist session... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Susan for a great comment <img src='http://couchslobs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  And thanks for the suggestion, the pile of books I plan to order from Amazon just keeps getting bigger <img src='http://couchslobs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Now this thing about old Parky, well even though it seems like a terribly rude thing he did, he is a talk show host, not a therapist. So while I dont understand his lack of manners, he can be excused for not knowing better. </p>
<p>And I completely agree with you that Pammie&#8217;s interviewing techniques were poor&#8230; I did a class at Uni History of civilizations and our professor wrote a book about it&#8230; to make sense out of chaos humans have an inherited tendency to put things/people/ideas into frames&#8230; well some call it boxes, but I like frames better&#8230; </p>
<p>We all do it to a greater or lesser extent, but for someone who claims to be a therapist, well if one person should resist that urge in my opinion then its the therapist&#8230; seemed to like she scribbled clever, gay, guilt, abuse on Mr. Fry&#8217;s tummy and that was that, the only thing missing was a neat little bow on his head to make a whole package. And if there is one person in this world that cannot be put into any frame then its Mr. Fry&#8230;<br />
I know its telly but still dont spin it as a therapist session&#8230; <img src='http://couchslobs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Susan P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you ever read the Dennis Potter biography? He was pursued with similar questions and he basically said..you are making me uncomfortable now [with your repetitions on this issue], move on.

But aspects of this sound to me, prima facie, as poor interviewing technique. Unless I am watching an investigative journalism piece I rarely enjoy or appreciate single minded pursuit on lame agenda topics.

When Parkinson interviewed Dolly Parton on one occasion he seemed completely unable to interview her on the premise that she would have something intelligent to say. Indeed, she offered a couple of glimpses to quite a mind and I thought..great..lets have of it..instead, he kept returning to base and silly school boy type questions on &#039;those&#039; assets and her cosmetic treatments. It was embarrassing and her eyes were increasing informing him what she really thought.

In my mind, when you&#039;ve got an intelligent (potentially greater than your own) person with you, who has shown he or she is more than willing to be disclosive and honest, let them lead. Give the prompts but then let them create the substance. Shadow their agenda (caveats exist) rather than always returning to your own. 

Sounds like our Pammie&#039;s stylus got stuck.

Actually, I just reversed the question: &quot;So Susan, how does it feel you have a penis in your vagina?&quot; Ok, aside from the fact that it&#039;s been a while! how could you answer this? It implies for one thing that all penises feel the same. They don&#039;t. And not just because of them either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever read the Dennis Potter biography? He was pursued with similar questions and he basically said..you are making me uncomfortable now [with your repetitions on this issue], move on.</p>
<p>But aspects of this sound to me, prima facie, as poor interviewing technique. Unless I am watching an investigative journalism piece I rarely enjoy or appreciate single minded pursuit on lame agenda topics.</p>
<p>When Parkinson interviewed Dolly Parton on one occasion he seemed completely unable to interview her on the premise that she would have something intelligent to say. Indeed, she offered a couple of glimpses to quite a mind and I thought..great..lets have of it..instead, he kept returning to base and silly school boy type questions on &#8216;those&#8217; assets and her cosmetic treatments. It was embarrassing and her eyes were increasing informing him what she really thought.</p>
<p>In my mind, when you&#8217;ve got an intelligent (potentially greater than your own) person with you, who has shown he or she is more than willing to be disclosive and honest, let them lead. Give the prompts but then let them create the substance. Shadow their agenda (caveats exist) rather than always returning to your own. </p>
<p>Sounds like our Pammie&#8217;s stylus got stuck.</p>
<p>Actually, I just reversed the question: &#8220;So Susan, how does it feel you have a penis in your vagina?&#8221; Ok, aside from the fact that it&#8217;s been a while! how could you answer this? It implies for one thing that all penises feel the same. They don&#8217;t. And not just because of them either.</p>
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